Classier than Elvis on Velvet ([info]ranalore) wrote,
@ 2005-01-05 18:52:00
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diving into the rec
I'm going to say a thing or two about recommendations. How and why one recs is a topic that's come up in discussion a lot the past few weeks, what with all the Secret Santa projects going live, and it remains one of those topics that stirs up a lot of emotion for a lot of people. This is because, I think, most of us are very attached to our stories (yes, even those of us who welcome concrit, and if you haven't figured that out yet, you haven't been paying attention), and because our words (and art and vids) really are the currency through which we both connect to other fans and establish our credentials within fandom. Based on how and what you write, other fans are going to make all kinds of judgments: about your intelligence, about your age, about your level of education and personal tastes and interest in concrit or discussion. About how committed we are to our fandoms and how much attention we paid to the source. In short, about everything that impacts our fannish interaction.

Given that kind of impact, is it any wonder that the system of recommendations is such a fraught topic? Despite every effort on the part of certain reccers, recs lists really do end up becoming some kind of unintended popularity contest. Who recs you, how many people rec you and how often (every time you post something new? Once in a blue moon? Only when you write in a certain fandom?) impacts your fannish street cred and how well-known you are. People who get recced frequently on multi-fandom rec sites are more likely to be recognized fandom-wide, which can come in handy (or not) when weighing in on a meta-fandom issue. People who crop up often on single-fandom rec sites tend to get slapped with the "BNF" label, for good or ill. And people who don't get recced often, for whatever reason, can run into the stigma of being thought of as less than impressive authors by people who haven't read them, even if that's not at all the case.

Now, at the same time you've got an author facing all of the above issues, you've got your average reccer, who isn't really thinking about any of that. She just wants, for various reasons, to point people toward stories she likes/thinks are good. And therein lies the key point that is often forgotten about in these debates: recs lists are, for the most part, nothing more nor less than a reflection of the reccer's tastes. Wait, let me say that again. Recs lists are a reflection of the reccer's tastes. What that means, and this is important, is that recs lists are subjective. Even when maintained by more than one person, recs lists are subjective. Even when specifically intended to adhere to objective standards of good writing, recs lists are subjective. Why? Because there are things people don't read, fandoms with which they are not familiar, stories they don't find. So yeah, you may be able to trust that every story recommended on a certain recs list meets a certain standard of good writing, but you can't trust that every story that meets a certain standard of good writing is going to be on a certain recs list.

"Well, duh, Rana," I hear you say, but you'd be surprised how often that comes as a revelation to someone in the midst of debate about recs lists and whether or not they're purposely exclusionary. Of course they are, but the point is not to snub you or your writing buddy over there. The point is to make up a list of stories this one person or group of people liked. Which segues into my next point, synchronous reccing.

Fandom is made up of little groups, which yes I know is another "duh" comment, but work with me here. Fandom is made up of little groups, and some of those groups overlap, and some don't. So you may be aware that these two people recced the same story, but they may not be aware of it. Then again, they might be, but your average reccer is more concerned with the "individual taste" part of the reccing equation than the "fannish credentials" part. What that means in reccing terms is that I may see a story recced five different places before I go to read it myself, or while I'm reading it myself, but I don't know that anyone else saw it those five different places. I also know that those reccers have slightly different tastes from mine, and that someone who depends on me for recs may not share the tastes of Reccer X, so she may not read a story recced by Reccer X until I also rec it, thereby telling her it's likely to be to her taste as well.

See, I really have no interest in boosting anybody's fannish cred. I just want the stories I like to get read as widely as possible, in the hopes people will leave lots of feedback, which will encourage the author to write more stories I like. When I say my fannish existence is all about enlightened self-interest, I am totally not kidding, and I think that's true of a lot of fans. And yeah, those little groups I mentioned above play a part in recs, in that members of a group are more likely to see, and therefore rec, stories from other members of that same group, but there really is no fannish zeitgeist controlling the recs lists in an attempt to drive you out of the fandom. Really, people. Leave the conspiracy theorizing to Mulder. It's annoying enough when he does it, and he's fictional (which is a whole different topic for a different rant on another day).


So, in conclusion, if you feel certain stories aren't getting the recognition they deserve, maybe you should make your own recs list. Certainly, it's a better idea than laying into other people and their recs lists. And if the stories you feel aren't getting the recognition they deserve are your own, you might consider widening your distribution or doing a bit of judicious self-pimping. Of course, with both of these methods, you run the risk that your widened audience might not love your story, and might be inclined to tell you so, but that's the chance you take. And if you don't want to take that chance, or don't want to make your own recs list? Then frankly, you've got no right to bitch. Period.



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[info]runefallstar
2005-01-06 05:16 am UTC (link)
Ya know, this seem a little bit familiar...*grins* And dude, weren't there a few things you were going to rec for me?

*points up* Also? Icon! Hee!

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[info]ranalore
2005-01-08 04:19 am UTC (link)
I'd just written it Tuesday at work, so it was still on my mind when we did dinner. *G*

Was it Yami no Matsuei I was going to rec to you? Oh, and [info]thete1 is Te, who writes mostly DCU these days but used to write Smallville and Buffy. I'm trying to remember who else and what else, I knew I should have written it down. Curse my aging brain.

I image-googled the word "meta." I almost died when that label popped up. So. Perfect.

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[info]runefallstar
2005-01-09 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I found Te. I have no idea what all you were going to rec for me? I think we must have talked about a million different fics and fandoms. Though, I'm intrigued by this Yami no Matsuei. Tell me more?

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[info]ranalore
2005-01-10 10:41 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I think it's coming back to me. Smallville, Remus/Sirius HP, and YnM, if I remember right. Plus LotRips, but I'll get to that in another post. *EG*

Okay, for YnM, this is the overview Boni wrote up for [info]crack_van the month she and I did recs there. These are all the recs. I have the thirteen-episode anime in .avi format, which I will happily yousendit your way if you like, along with the AMVs I've got. I also have scanlations up through Book Five I can send you, and Borders carries the first two translated books. The premise is that the afterlife in Japan is a bureaucracy, and certain individuals can choose to work for said bureaucracy after they die. If they have enough spiritual power, they're given the option of becoming Shinigami, gods of death. They're assigned districts to watch over, and their cases tend to consist of people dying before they're supposed to or not dying when they are supposed to. The two main characters are Tsuzuki Asato, a twenty-six-year old half-demon who took his own life in 1926, and Kurosaki Hisoka, a sixteen-year old empath raped and cursed at the age of thirteen by a psychopathic doctor who may also be half-demon, and who's obsessed with his grandfather's mysterious patient, Tsuzuki. The series itself is set in the present day, with Hisoka's date of death either 1996 or 1997 (can't remember if he was born in '80 or '81). In any case, read the overview, which explains it all better.

My favorite character is Hisoka, who bears a rather strong resemblance to Sanzo in terms of temperment and looks. I so love my snarky, rage-filled blonds (though Hisoka's hair is technically light brown, but you can't tell from the anime).

Smallville, I think it was [info]seperis we were pointing you at, especially her current WIP, Pretty When You're Mine, which is an AU featuring hooker!Clark. For good Sirius/Remus, check out both [info]musesfool and [info]rageprufrock. I'll hunt down more specific links for you, but read the YnM overview first, because I write more of that. *G*

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[info]fabu
2005-01-21 09:22 pm UTC (link)
I see I memoried this so I could rec it but never commented - d'oh!

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've said here. At various times, I've gotten sulky mail from people accusing me of only reccing my friends, or of ignoring them/their friends/their fave pairing, or of having some other kind of agenda. And all I can say is, "this is a list of stories I liked that I think you might like too, if you don't like my list, make your own!"

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[info]ranalore
2005-01-29 03:22 am UTC (link)
I see I memoried this so I could rec it but never commented - d'oh!

*snicker* We all get busy, no problem.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've said here. At various times, I've gotten sulky mail from people accusing me of only reccing my friends, or of ignoring them/their friends/their fave pairing, or of having some other kind of agenda. And all I can say is, "this is a list of stories I liked that I think you might like too, if you don't like my list, make your own!"

Exactly. The key, though, is not only is it a list of stories you liked, it's a list of stories you found and liked. It always amazes me the number of people who seem to make the assumption in these debates that every reccer has read everything ever written in their named fandoms. Even stuff that hasn't been publicly posted, or has only appeared on one mailing list. And as I said in a comment when this issue came up again a few days ago in [info]maeglinyedi's LJ, there are enough talented and prolific writers on my reading list that, if not for gaining new fandoms and following their recs, I would never have to venture beyond it for good stuff to read. As it is, I don't have time to keep up with all of the stories you all post, and I have a pretty small reading list. For fans like yourself or Kanz or Vic P., with larger reading lists and well-known recs lists, I can only stand back and admire that you're willing to devote that kind of time and energy to the whole business. It torques my cookies when people give you flak about it.

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[info]fabu
2005-01-29 08:31 pm UTC (link)
it's a list of stories you found and liked. It always amazes me the number of people who seem to make the assumption in these debates that every reccer has read everything ever written in their named fandoms.

Yes! That's it exactly. I don't have time to read every story that's ever been posted, and sure, I'm more likely to *see* stories in my preferred pairings, because those are the ones I'm most likely to read (ditto with folks on my flist). . .

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[info]ranalore
2005-01-31 12:42 am UTC (link)
Precisely, and those who have the attitude that if you're going to rec, then it's your responsibility to hunt down every story ever written in that fandom/pairing/genre, just really blow my mind. Talk about a ridiculous sense of entitlement.

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Here via DS...
[info]auctasinistra
2005-01-27 09:38 pm UTC (link)
...[info]maeglinyedi's post et cetera to say *word* to a very sensible post.

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Re: Here via DS...
[info]ranalore
2005-01-30 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. *G*

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[info]profshallowness
2005-01-29 10:57 am UTC (link)
Here via a link from the rarepairs discussion, and nodding vehemently at your points.

I rec fics that I liked, as you say out of an enlightened self-interest, plus there's a sense of pride and enthusiasm about people writing this good stuff in my fandoms and 'ships. I don't think that I'm on the radar of panfandom at large and some of my fandoms are barely on livejournal - but you never know. I find recs list invaluable when looking for stuff in a new fandom, so making a list of what I liked from that lot and whatever else I found on my own fichunts may be of use to different people.

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[info]ranalore
2005-01-30 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Exactly. We all have slightly different readerships, so any and all recs we make are useful, since they all get the stories we like out there in the larger fannish arena.

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